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		<title>By: Benjamin Ellis</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8547</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 13:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many of us were thinking the same thing at the same time. That&#039;s not a bad thing :) - Enjoyed your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many of us were thinking the same thing at the same time. That&#8217;s not a bad thing :) &#8211; Enjoyed your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Piper</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8545</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 13:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh, excellent. I&#039;d missed this post, and now it looks like my own rant is potentially a reaction to yours. And yours is, as usual, very eloquently put. Nice work, sir!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, excellent. I&#8217;d missed this post, and now it looks like my own rant is potentially a reaction to yours. And yours is, as usual, very eloquently put. Nice work, sir!</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Benjamin Ellis » We Didn’t Vote for Hanging! -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Benjamin Ellis » We Didn’t Vote for Hanging! -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 11:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Ben Walker. Ben Walker said: We Didn’t Vote for Hanging! (a sensible take on the media&#039;s treatment of the election from @benjaminellis) http://tinyurl.com/24vu8s9 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Ben Walker. Ben Walker said: We Didn’t Vote for Hanging! (a sensible take on the media&#39;s treatment of the election from @benjaminellis) <a href="http://tinyurl.com/24vu8s9" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/24vu8s9</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Boakes</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8536</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Boakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well spoken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well spoken.</p>
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		<title>By: iced coffee &#187; Lets Blow This Place Sky High #twitterjoketrial</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8534</link>
		<dc:creator>iced coffee &#187; Lets Blow This Place Sky High #twitterjoketrial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 12:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] floating about lately; the banning of the Hunky Dory ads because I stared at all the crisps, the people voting for a hung parliament, Ash Cloud being the new Swine Flu, to name a few, though one of the biggest stories for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] floating about lately; the banning of the Hunky Dory ads because I stared at all the crisps, the people voting for a hung parliament, Ash Cloud being the new Swine Flu, to name a few, though one of the biggest stories for the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Benjamin Ellis » We Didn’t Vote for Hanging! -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8533</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Benjamin Ellis » We Didn’t Vote for Hanging! -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 12:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Benjamin Ellis, Alasdair Smith. Alasdair Smith said: This is not the media&#039;s election. It is ours: http://bit.ly/bicOyp well said @BenjaminEllis [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Benjamin Ellis, Alasdair Smith. Alasdair Smith said: This is not the media&#39;s election. It is ours: <a href="http://bit.ly/bicOyp" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bicOyp</a> well said @BenjaminEllis [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8532</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 12:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the fact we have to vote tactically is a sign that the system is broken, or at least not transparent.

Someone pointed me to this video (from 1987!) by John Cleese:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSUKMa1cYHk
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the fact we have to vote tactically is a sign that the system is broken, or at least not transparent.</p>
<p>Someone pointed me to this video (from 1987!) by John Cleese:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSUKMa1cYHk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSUKMa1cYHk</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 12:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted as I did only because I could be sure the Labour candidate wouldn&#039;t win. Had he been in with a chance I may have voted tactically to give the best chance of blocking him.

Benjamin is quite correct - we don&#039;t vote for the PM. I think perhaps we should though. It would be simpler than trying to divine the wishes of the electorate through Parliament. Given how strong party discipline is, with a clear majority the Commons are little more than a very expensive electoral college to select an executive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted as I did only because I could be sure the Labour candidate wouldn&#8217;t win. Had he been in with a chance I may have voted tactically to give the best chance of blocking him.</p>
<p>Benjamin is quite correct &#8211; we don&#8217;t vote for the PM. I think perhaps we should though. It would be simpler than trying to divine the wishes of the electorate through Parliament. Given how strong party discipline is, with a clear majority the Commons are little more than a very expensive electoral college to select an executive.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sargent</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8528</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sargent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people did vote for a hung parliament though or at least voted tactically to stop a Tory victory. There were vote swaps going on via Facebook at least. I agreed to vote tactically in my constituency in exchange for someone doing the same in another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people did vote for a hung parliament though or at least voted tactically to stop a Tory victory. There were vote swaps going on via Facebook at least. I agreed to vote tactically in my constituency in exchange for someone doing the same in another.</p>
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		<title>By: Allix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dean Whitbread

Nicely put - was trying to say something similar :o)</description>
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<p>Nicely put &#8211; was trying to say something similar :o)</p>
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		<title>By: Allix</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8523</link>
		<dc:creator>Allix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comment - well reasoned and presented!

Further to your well-made points, i&#039;m astonished at the hypocrisy of:

1) Anyone saying that any &#039;leader&#039; has been rejected, carefully ignoring that by the same argument theirs has as well.

2) Any argument made against any given coalition being &quot;undemocratic&quot; merely because your chosen party isn&#039;t in it. This is the electoral system *you* are arguing as &quot;not in need of reform&quot;.

3) Any commentator talking about &#039;best ideological fit&#039;, assuming a stereotype of any given voter unmeasured by an archaic electoral system. AV or STV would give you that data, hence the argument about it being &#039;more fair&#039;.

That felt good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment &#8211; well reasoned and presented!</p>
<p>Further to your well-made points, i&#8217;m astonished at the hypocrisy of:</p>
<p>1) Anyone saying that any &#8216;leader&#8217; has been rejected, carefully ignoring that by the same argument theirs has as well.</p>
<p>2) Any argument made against any given coalition being &#8220;undemocratic&#8221; merely because your chosen party isn&#8217;t in it. This is the electoral system *you* are arguing as &#8220;not in need of reform&#8221;.</p>
<p>3) Any commentator talking about &#8216;best ideological fit&#8217;, assuming a stereotype of any given voter unmeasured by an archaic electoral system. AV or STV would give you that data, hence the argument about it being &#8216;more fair&#8217;.</p>
<p>That felt good.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ellis</title>
		<link>http://benjaminellis.org/2010/05/11/we-didnt-vote-for-hanging/comment-page-1/#comment-8522</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favourite overheard quote for the day: &quot;people will not vote for capitalism, but they will vote for democracy&quot; - I shall have to find who it was by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favourite overheard quote for the day: &#8220;people will not vote for capitalism, but they will vote for democracy&#8221; &#8211; I shall have to find who it was by!</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Whitbread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Whitbread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good rant. I am beginning to despair of the % games. &quot;75% rejected your party&quot; &quot;Only two parties saw their share of the vote increase&quot; &quot;More people voted against you than for you.&quot; Only 68% of those eligible voted, for Christ&#039;s sake, and the missing 32% are regularly added to the supporters or rejectors of this or that tribe. 

68% is an increase, and that is I suppose a good thing; but still that means the &quot;nation speaking&quot; is only two thirds, and until that is addressed - by increasing engagement, making it easier to vote, by reforming the mechanisms root and branch so that it&#039;s not a once-in-5-years-or-so process - as a country, we&#039;re political sleepwalkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good rant. I am beginning to despair of the % games. &#8220;75% rejected your party&#8221; &#8220;Only two parties saw their share of the vote increase&#8221; &#8220;More people voted against you than for you.&#8221; Only 68% of those eligible voted, for Christ&#8217;s sake, and the missing 32% are regularly added to the supporters or rejectors of this or that tribe. </p>
<p>68% is an increase, and that is I suppose a good thing; but still that means the &#8220;nation speaking&#8221; is only two thirds, and until that is addressed &#8211; by increasing engagement, making it easier to vote, by reforming the mechanisms root and branch so that it&#8217;s not a once-in-5-years-or-so process &#8211; as a country, we&#8217;re political sleepwalkers.</p>
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		<title>By: eaon</title>
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		<dc:creator>eaon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spot on, mostly.
re &#039;the markets demand&#039; - how do we stomach that! imagine the furore if it were &#039;the unions demand&#039; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spot on, mostly.<br />
re &#8216;the markets demand&#8217; &#8211; how do we stomach that! imagine the furore if it were &#8216;the unions demand&#8217; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Benjamin Ellis » We Didn’t Vote for Hanging! -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Benjamin Ellis, Richard George and Richard George, Sean Kent. Sean Kent said: RT @benjaminellis: We Didn&#039;t Vote for Hanging! - http://bit.ly/9pn9HN (slight blog rant). [...]</description>
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